Wildfires are no longer isolated to our forests in California. They now also threaten our cities. On the fourth episode of California Burning, we focus on where urban and wild spaces meet and hear from people who have experienced some of the most tragic fires in California’s history.

Featuring Adia White and Steve Mencher from Northern California Public Media (KRCB) in Santa Rosa; Karen and Mark Thompson survivors of the Thomas Fire in Santa Barbara, Jim Broshears for the Town of Paradise's Emergency Operation Center; Calli-Jane DeAnda and Jim Hautman of the Butte County Fire Safe Council; fire geographer, Zeke Lunder; PG&E spokesperson, Paul Moreno, Phillips Family Trust forest manager, Gary Hendrix, and Brennan Byrd.

Full transcripts of this episode, photos and links at californiaburning.net. All episodes also available on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, Google Play, or wherever you get your podcasts.